Topic: Is this possible?

I do not know how many members here have watched a Korean movie called War of arrows.
You can watch it on Netfliex.
In the movie, the main characher shoots curving arrow to hit a target. 
I found a link that some body did in real life.  I am not sure how he did it.
I also noticed that the guy in the video twisted the right hand a lot, what is the benefit of doing it?
http://youtu.be/1KOGxBUkYME

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I noticed his arrow was unfletched. That would be one requirement to shooting a curving arrow because a normally fletched arrow spins so any internal  forces in the structure of the arrow or imparted by the shot would be doing 360's around the axis of the arrow. That would probably just cause a slow wobbly arrow. It's really hard to shoot an unfletched arrow straight with a normal release (mongol or mediterranean style) on a non-center shot bow. But it can be done. You would have to twist the bow handle away from the arrow rest and tilt the bow down slightly as you draw and release. If you manage to align the arrow with its flight path during the release it would fly straight. Then if the arrow were made so that it is more flexible to one side than the other and it rotates slowly once in flight it might take a curved path. But I can't imagine a shooter being able to control that so I would vote no. Not possible. I saw the movie. Twisting the string only presses the arrow against the bow harder as you draw. Actually a bit useful on horseback.

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tonygt19 wrote:

I noticed his arrow was unfletched. That would be one requirement to shooting a curving arrow because a normally fletched arrow spins so any internal  forces in the structure of the arrow or imparted by the shot would be doing 360's around the axis of the arrow. That would probably just cause a slow wobbly arrow. It's really hard to shoot an unfletched arrow straight with a normal release (mongol or mediterranean style) on a non-center shot bow. But it can be done. You would have to twist the bow handle away from the arrow rest and tilt the bow down slightly as you draw and release. If you manage to align the arrow with its flight path during the release it would fly straight. Then if the arrow were made so that it is more flexible to one side than the other and it rotates slowly once in flight it might take a curved path. But I can't imagine a shooter being able to control that so I would vote no. Not possible. I saw the movie. Twisting the string only presses the arrow against the bow harder as you draw. Actually a bit useful on horseback.

Oh, thank you for the detail explanations!
I did not know he was using an arrow without fletchs. 
Tilting the bow to counter clock wise, and down technique is a necessary movement for shooting a korean bow, no?  I have watched a lot of youtube videos, and I have seen many of people use the technique.  I am not quite sure what is the benefit of doing it, but I am trying to shoot arrows with the technique smile

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You would need an arrow with certain characteristics and it can be done. See the physics behind it here:
http://www.tap46home.plus.com/mechanics/fbare.htm
http://www.tap46home.plus.com/mechanics/arrowstab.htm

Still, the video looks fake to me. At about 25m, he got a displacement of about 30cm or maybe even more. I would expect the arrow to be stuck in the target at a slight angle, as if it came from the right. Additionally, if it is curving to the left, then it must be traveling with the point on the left side and the nock on the right, so the angle would be even bigger. The arrow would travel a bit like in this video, but a bit more stable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfNXxJwn … QjCmKd2q5Q

Of course, one may go even further and play with weights and feathers and a whole new world unveils:
http://margo.student.utwente.nl/sagi/ar … arrow.html

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It's a movie .................... they can manipulate anything they want. roll  What gets me the most is when they make the bow "creak" when it's drawn (I suppose to imply power in the force of the draw), but this isn't the ONLY movie that does this.

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Yes, its just a movie and I was sure its impossible.  At least that guy try to shoot like the movie smile

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I've done this on short distance (under 10m), shooting around a tree and hitting the target behind it. I used underspined crappy fibreglass arrows with plastic vanes and pushed them in towards the bow so that they were bent/deflected an inch or so upon release. (I also torqued the bow string but I'm not sure it's necessary, I did it it mostly because it felt cool)
The arrow then snaked widely and therefore curved around the tree.
Lars Andersen also shows this (on short distance) in this video: https://youtu.be/M-bI3n_rSBg, not sure excactly how he does it, but it's also a short distance so I'm guessing underspined arrows, not overly fletched, and intentional bad release?

I've had some arrows (fletched) fly a slightly horisontally curved path on distances around 15-20m, but not on purpose. Unfletched arrows (when bareshaft tuning) can take a really steep turn after 15-20m.

So I'm thinking curving arrows at slightly longer distances should be possible.

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Krebal18 wrote:

I've done this on short distance (under 10m), shooting around a tree and hitting the target behind it. I used underspined crappy fibreglass arrows with plastic vanes and pushed them in towards the bow so that they were bent/deflected an inch or so upon release. (I also torqued the bow string but I'm not sure it's necessary, I did it it mostly because it felt cool)
The arrow then snaked widely and therefore curved around the tree.
Lars Andersen also shows this (on short distance) in this video: https://youtu.be/M-bI3n_rSBg, not sure excactly how he does it, but it's also a short distance so I'm guessing underspined arrows, not overly fletched, and intentional bad release?

I've had some arrows (fletched) fly a slightly horisontally curved path on distances around 15-20m, but not on purpose. Unfletched arrows (when bareshaft tuning) can take a really steep turn after 15-20m.

So I'm thinking curving arrows at slightly longer distances should be possible.

https://youtu.be/MwkWYCtv_54

Here is how you do it. It can be done with any arrow.

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