Topic: Bow Evolution

I have been doing a lot of reading on Chinese archery as well as Korean archery and the one thing I find interesting is that the "missing link" between the bows we know of as Korean and the Manchu (Chinese) bows may have occured when the Koreans abandoned the bow as a weapon of war and used it for target archery, where as the Chinese continued to use the bow as a weapon. 

Is my theory even plausible?

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Technically, the bow was a military weapon in Korea until 1894.  Also, Koreans believe they and Manchus are directly connected to each other, that Manchus are a break-off from Koreans.

Here is from correspondence Peter Dekker and I had a few months ago on the subject (I just put my part of the conversation):


It is mainly translations from Korean, so some romanization, interpretation, etc. might be different from what's in books written in English.  Also, things are not necessarily in order, as the info came from various Korean sources.

1. Ching's motto was 愛新刻羅: "Love of Silla (a Korean kingdom) is carved in our hearts". 
2. Ching's ancestry is from the Jurchen, who established the Jin (Keum/Kim) dynasty. 
3. The Manchus were a branch of the Joseon people from Baekdu Mountain.
4. The first ancestor of Jin (Kim) was Kim Haeng (Kim Ham-bo), who was the great-grandson of the last king of Silla, King Gyeong-sun.  The king's son, the grandfather of Kim Ham-bo, Maeuitaeja, went into a deep mountain and never returned.
5. Kim Ham-bo's people failed to gain back Silla from Goryeo, so they went north.
8. Nurhaci, who was born around Baekdu Mountain, founded the Later Jin (Kim) dynasty, which later became Ching.
9. Nurhaci called his dynasty Later Jin (Kim) because his ancestor built Jin (Kim)
10. During the 1592-98 Japanese invasion of Korea, Nurhaci sent a letter to Joseon stating that, "Rats invaded my parents' country!"

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Very interesting.  Thank you. 

I am just wondering why the Korean bow evolved the way it did being "sandwiched" between the Japanese Yumi and the Manchu bow and vice versa.  I find it fascinating that cultures that had so much interaction retained there "national identity" through there archery tackle.

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Remember that the Japanese yumi came after the Korean bow, and Korean archery had already matured by that time.  Also, if you look at the Japanese release, it is very similar to the Chinese style, along with a seldom-seen, old Korean style of release.

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5 (edited by jbl 2011-09-16 17:24:09)

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Another question I have is: was the bow considered a "Naval" weapon by the Koreans?  The reason why I ask is if the bow was used by the navy it would do a lot to dispell the myth of the composite bow "falling apart" in humid condtions.  I shoot my composite in humid conditions and find that it is no more effected by the humidity than a self bow.

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At least in some parts of Korean history, yes--for instance, in battle with the Japanese in the 1592-98 Imjin War.  Shipboard archers shot fire arrows at Japanese ships.  Here is from an exhibit at the War Memorial in Seoul dramatizing it (you can't really see it, but the archers are on a ship):

http://koreanarchery.org/images/hansan2.jpg


When the Japanese first invaded, the Korean land forces were near non-existent, while the Korean navy was strong and experienced, having been fighting pirates for years.  The Japanese situation was the opposite; their land forces were strong, but their naval forces were little more than a giant ferry service for the land forces.  The reason why the Korean navy was not able to quickly stem the flow of Japanese land forces was because Admiral Yi Sun-shin didn't even learn of the invasion until three days after it began; even then, it was another fifteen days before the king gave him a mandate to take military action against them!

Regarding the bows in particular, first, nowadays, Korean archers use their horn bows in all kinds of weather; in wet weather, they are just careful to wipe them off if they get wet.  Second, as mentioned before, it is unlikely most enlisted archers had horn bows, due to their cost; they couldn't afford them and the gov't certainly wasn't going to pay for them.  Chances are, they were more likely some type of self bows or bamboo bows, which the archers could either make themselves or have made inexpensively.

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I read the Osprey book on the Imjin War and am looking for another book in English about that period I am interested in Admiral Yi Sun-shin he seemed to be an excellent leader and tactician.

Now when you say that the enlisted archers would have self bows were these longbows or static recurve Asian style similar to the bows found in Siberia and Novgorod?

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It's hard to say, as there is not much left from that time period.  What Koreans called a wood bow ("mokgung"--목궁/木弓) was actually a composite bow of bamboo and wood; there is an original left and I have one of only two reproductions of it in the world.

http://www.hornbow.com/mokgng1.jpg
Original

http://www.hornbow.com/mokgng2b.jpg
Reproduction

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As for Admiral Yi, if you can find an English-language translation of his diary, Nanjungilgi, that would probably give you the most in-depth look into his thinking.

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Amazing bow, what is the length of the mokgung when strung? 

Also what kind of draw weight would the "regular" soldier or sailor been using?

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It's hard to say, as the bow has never been drawn (although it was strung once).  Also, it's equally hard to say about the draw weight of the Korean soldier/sailor archer, as I'm not aware of an extant bow from that time period.

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The wooden bows almost look like the illlegitimate love child of a Scythian and Turkish bow.

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13 (edited by jbl 2011-09-24 15:08:14)

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Another thing that makes sense is the horn bow was just used by those with the means to have the bows, even in the Native American culture in North America horn bows were only used by those warriors who had a high rank within the tribe.

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What is also interesting to me as I learn more about Korean Archery is that so many of the masters family's have made bow for centuries.  Which would me that the family recipe for the bow has been past down from generation to generation.

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