Topic: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Hey all!

Was wondering if anyone knew the differences in construction, maintenance, performance of the following:
1. Hwarang bow
2. Horn-bellied and bamboo-bellied hwarang
3. Fibreglass laminated bow sold by Y M Jang
4. Semi-horn bow sold by Y M Jang
5. Horn and sinew Korean bows
6. Any others (like Kaya, or Samick ....)

(and also just because it seems like an appropriate chance to mention: the Mongolian bow sold by Y M Jang)

I figured this would be a good place to discuss.
Thanks!

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I have the chance to try the bows made by Yeung Mo Gung and Song Mu Gung, the last owning the factory who make the semihorn and bamboo belied bows.
I would like try to be short:
1. YMG bows feel to not staking at all, the best looking shape at full draw, very fast and extremly resistant at bad treatment.
If you want to put the bow on the  limit, try this type. Little vibration in the hand.
2. SMG bows
   - regular laminated bow is smoother than YMG, but it stacks earlier than YMG. Is very fast, not noticeable diferences between YMG and this bow. Very fine, long life but not very resistant at bad treatment, the first dry shot can destroy this bow.
   - semihorn bow is the best shooting bow you can get, very tolerant, very very fast, very smooth, but severely stack at the draw limit. Not very long life and it required specialy care, like using a hot box. I like this bow the most, I had my best shots with this bow. The best sensation in the hand, after shooting this bow for a while, you will feel every other bow like having hand shock.
   - bamboo belied bow, excelent look, is a beauty, is very smooth, but is slow. Little vibration also, comparable with YMG bow. Anyway, this bow, even is not the best shooter, is the best looking one. I dont know about the life of this bow, I tested them only for few days.
YMG use maple core, also maple in the fadeouts.
SMG made fadeouts from some synthetic material like impregnated fabric, and use bamboo for core.

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Hi Ginni. I don't think the semihorn bow needs special care, as with a real hornbow. It's the same use as a laminated bow. I use mine without problems or extra care. The hotbox and heating is only used for real hornbows because of the sinew, not as much for the horn. At least, that's the way I see it.

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

José,

Although the hybrid bow does not require the level of extra care that a true horn bow does, still some extra care should be given.  The horn should not be quickly flexed when bracing, especially if the ambient temperature is somewhat cold.  Also, when unbracing, the limbs should be slowly unflexed, taking care that the limbs stay straight.; I usually do this by letting my hand follow up the limb after taking the string off.

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About the "other" bows, a friend of mine makes bow testings for our archery magazine.
He has tested a "windfighter" traditional korean bow. The result is poor, the bow is fast and confortable, but after les than 200 arrows, is falls in pieces, the handles, tissue over the limbs and leather at the limb tips is falling apart...

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This bow is made in China. A friend had one which was very tuff, he shot with 5 to 10 grams short arrows and tonga very long time, the bow broke after one year. But I have seen also some delamination. The worst was that in the delaminated bow (new one) it was no resin between strips.
With this bow is lotery, is are lucky, you can get a good one.

Is very fast, but also unstable.

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I tried a friend's 35# Kaya the other day. It was fast and comfortable (nearly 0 hand vibration). Unfortunately, the lower string bridge fell off some time during practice, and this was his first day shooting it! I think he's looking to exchange it for a 40# Kaya (hopefully the bridges on that will hold together next time around).

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Super glue works well on the string bridges.

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Justin, I bet your friend was disappointed but it may all work out for the best if he feels he needs a stronger bow. I'm sure this was just one of those freak accidents.

I very quickly wore through the thin leather arrow pass on my Hwarang (mixture of finding the correct arrows and poor form) it was gone in no time. I glued a piece of polished cow horn in its place.

I'll be able to offer some feedback shortly, regarding Hwarang and Kaya as my friend has just bought a Kaya.

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~HUN~ wrote:

I'll be able to offer some feedback shortly, regarding Hwarang and Kaya as my friend has just bought a Kaya.

I have several bows Korean type (Hwarang 45lb and 70lb, 50lb and 55lb Kaya). They are comparable and very good. Hwarang is closer to the original Korean HornBows. Kaya but also shoots very well.

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Just ordered a 55# Kaya KTB from 3 Rivers Archery so I will be glad to offer my impression.  I have only shot compound bows before so this will be a new experience for me.

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Kaya is a good company and their export bow is a good starter bow for someone just getting into Korean trad.  If all goes well, this coming year they will have a new bow design for sale in the West.

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Well it was a nice night's shooting at the club until one of my arrows found a 6" nail (they insist on using these things to fix the target faces :c ) less said about that the better.
The Kaya had been delivered and I had the opportunity to try it out, it performs really well.

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

The Kaya arrived on Wednesday and I have now had the opportunity to try it out.

Initial impressions, the finish of the bow could have been better, there is a glue thumbprint on the top limb covering,  and several other areas of glue seepage marring the leather. The handle covering is quite poorly done, the piece cut to cover it is not large enough to cover the rubber so there is a gap at the top and bottom, and the edges are not even straight, they are jaggedly cut and covered in glue. The leather arrow pass is also poorly glued on and overlaps. Not much care was taken in coveringthe handle, it looks rushed with scrap material.

However, bows are made to shoot and it does that very well indeed. It is very fast with pretty much no handshock compared to the TRH Crimean Tartar bow I have been using at the same draw weight. The arrows are quite heavy and they are leaving with impressive speed and grouping well, the bow is very nice to shoot so it redeemed itself.  The cosmetic issues I can resolve and chances are I just got a bad one. I already intended to change the arrow pass and wrap the handle anyway so overall I am pleased.

It doesn't feel as smooth/fast as ~HUN~'s Hwarang but the reason for that is obvious, you get what you pay for. But for an entry bow into Korean archery, i'm impressed.


*edit* image of the new Kaya at full draw http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c92/I … ayaKTB.jpg *edit*

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

I have to agree with N. Vodden's assessment of the Kaya. Aesthetically, it could use more refinement. Shooting-wise, it does quite well.

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

We have to remember the price. Little things like recovering the grip are minor jobs. I added wrapping over the grip of my Hwarang (I admit it, I have big hands) they are just personal touches.
I thought the pattern on the covering was more subdued in the flesh as opposed to pictures and I'm sure applying some dye would make it even more so.
As for performance, it did really well and in my opinion it outperforms other 'Asiatic replicas' in its class.
Again, consider the price and it's a very good bow.

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Just found Y M Jang's YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ymjang007

Here's his actual website:
http://cafe.daum.net/koreagungsulwon

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I have a Korean bow that I bought in 1960 from a bow maker in Solsa.,near Inchon, I have not used it in years and through the years it has suffered.
I would like to know if anyone knows who the bow maker might be or his son or anyone else who maybe able to work on it as I would like to get this bow repaired.
I can tell you a string pad is missing and some of the leather is starting to come loose. It had a crack in the bone taped up when the first time I used it ,it was not set right and the string peeled off , the bow-maker repaired it for me once buy wraping the bow

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Hi Doug and welcome!

Do you have any pictures of it?  At different angles will help and an important one would be of the tips, which should have a colored paper on it (called "chilji").  Here's an example: http://www.arrow.or.kr/data/file/bowkor/thumb_4_1_2.jpg


Thomas

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Yes ,I have some pictures of the bow and one of the arrows with some writting on it. I don't know how to attach them here but I could e-mail them.

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

For attaching photos, if they are hosted on a server somewhere (like photobucket, etc.), you can show them with the [ img ] tag.  If not, you are welcome to send them to me at goongdo@hotmail.com and I'll look at them.


T

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Please attach the photos here, we all would love to see them.

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Here is Doug's bow along with an arrow.  If anyone can identify the bowyer, that would be great.  On the arrow, I can identify the first two parts of the name (Kim Jang-?); can anyone else figure out the last part?


http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougbow1.JPG

http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougbow2.JPG

http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougbow3.JPG

http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougbow4.JPG

http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougbow5.JPG

http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougbow6.JPG

http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougarrow1.JPG

http://www.koreanarchery.org/dougarrow2.JPG

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

Doug,

I referenced the thread on a Facebook group regarding Korean trad archery.  Maybe we can get some help there.


T

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Re: Information about various makes of Korean bows

raphplessis wrote:

About the "other" bows, a friend of mine makes bow testings for our archery magazine.
He has tested a "windfighter" traditional korean bow. The result is poor, the bow is fast and confortable, but after les than 200 arrows, is falls in pieces, the handles, tissue over the limbs and leather at the limb tips is falling apart...

Should i be intimidated by this comment and do not buy a Kaya Windfighter? Windfighter owners what´s you view on this one?

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