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(17 replies, posted in History)

Thanks for the info gentlemen, I will be picking those up shortly

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(14 replies, posted in Thumb Rings)

I still have to adjust the size on my sugakji.. Sure it felt fine before I shot with it, and it just kills me at my thumbjoint after shooting in succession, I need to get the dremel on it again. I just don't have any guidance as to the correct fitment and I'm learning how to do all of this from book, dvd, and forum.
So I actually bought a "thumbring glove" which is made by greatree and isn't a thumbring at all, but a glove which covers the thumb, forefinger, and middle fingers, and has an extra piece of leather sewn on over the thumbpad. You guys could probably make this at home.

This works much easier, but after a session of shooting, this made my thumb pad black and blue. So I'm switching back and forth between the ring and the glove. I think the ring needs to get smoothed out even more inside, so I will try that with the dremel. If I shoot one arrow every minute or two it would be fine, and I think that is more the korean style as you shoot in a row once you are on the line.

I'm very busy so whenever I get to the range the monster in me comes out and I try to shoot a thousand arrows before I have to leave, to get in every last drop, and so, my thumb suffers. I wasn't used to it at first, as I come from a compound bow background and the release takes all the brunt of the string pinch.

I should take it easy next time and see how it goes. I'm sure it will get even better as it has already gotten a little easier than the first time I tried, my thumb itself feels more rock solid in the bent position. Just your thumbs need to get used to the pressure like anything that is a new muscle memory. I am also realizing that its not the draw that bothers me, its how much your thumb can handle! I'm thinking I could have gone down in draw weight, and still had a powerful bow after seeing what these bows can do. Just keep practicing and it should be better.

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(6 replies, posted in Accessories)

I have a korean bow quiver made by a guy in korea, and will post pics when i get it.. it looks like a big santa stocking, so that should help. And comes with a back sling attachment. Should be great for hiking with your bow.

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(35 replies, posted in Bows)

What I plan to do is make a bunch of bamboo arrows, find out which ones shoot best, and set those aside and glue on some wensel woodsman or magnus snuffer broadheads, and try with those. All the carbon arrows I have been shooting lately that have slight irregularities are getting judo points put on them and will be shot at trees and such. I hurt my hand a few days ago, so I'm taking it easy right now. I would also recommend the gold tip wood grain carbon arrows 55/75 for your set up. You should be able to find some for like $75 bucks shipped for a dozen shafts. Put some 5" feathers on them (3) of them, and a 125 point and you will be good to go. I also added 100grn brass weight inserts for the tips to make it Front heavy, which seems to work quite well. But thats the set up I am using. I think stability is key to accuracy for my set up. Oh, and the beaver string silencers are amazing in quieting the shot and reducing even more vibration down to nothing. This has worked for me. Now I have too many bows, and not enough time to shoot them all! They are each so different.

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(35 replies, posted in Bows)

bjarup I do shoot some heavy arrows... They weigh about the same as what bamboo arrows would weigh, which is what I plan to use once I get around to making them. I have not had a chance to chrono the bows yet, but when I get a chance I will. As for the inserts, I bought the glue on field point tips, but got them in 11/32, as I had some in 5/16 and it wouldn't even go over the tips. I have to drill a 1/8" hole, plug it with 1/8" wooden dowel, and I plan on cutting self nocks by using 3 saw blades taped together, center one facing opposite direction, and then use a 1/8" round file to do the fine work for the nock. And then bind in front of the nock with artificial sinew and use feather fletch. I think that would do it. But we will see. They are 33" and I am not going to cut them but leave them full length, as my thumbring draw is about 32" I think so these arrow length should be perfect. I tried lighter arrows, and they were fishtailing all over the place with my Khan. I know its not only the form, as my form has improved a lot from the first day out with it, and I tried recently again with lighter weight arrows and I was not happy with the flight characteristics and accuracy. I find the heavier arrows hit harder and are easier to control. For hunting the heavy weight will get you enough FPE to blow through the animal with broadheads. That is more important than the speed. It shoots plenty fast for me. I think I could have gone with a lighter draw bow and still got similar results but I wanted to have the most power possible, and the khan delivers. It is very easy to shoot for 3 finger draw. I find myself pointing it lower than you would expect it to have to be, but its dead on. And quiet, with the calf hair rest, I can only hear the feathers whizz and hit the target, boom. Thats it. The thumbring shooting bows are slightly louder  because you can hear the arrow shaft as it passes the arrow pass (leather strip).

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(19 replies, posted in Bows)

Great post.

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(17 replies, posted in History)

Where can we buy a great book that outlines his history and other archery in Korean history? This is great info, I am also drawn to Korean secret because of my interest in Korean history.

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(35 replies, posted in Bows)

Bjarup, you don't need a thumbring for the khan, it won't work the way it's intended with the shelf. The khan is meant for 3 finger draw, which it does very well. Also I have to say that mountain man beaver fur string silencers work very well at silencing the shot to nothing. I personally use gold tip 55/75 traditional wood grain pattern carbon arrows and shoot them full length. I also put 100 grain brass inserts at the point to keep it front heavy with 125 grain field tips and a 3 fletch right wing helical, 5 inch feathers. shoots like a dream and the arrows penetrate at least 2-3" deeper into my target than my 70lb draw compound bow, the Mathews Z7 Extreme that's rated at 320 gps IBO. It might not be as fast but at 20yards it's plenty fast. If you want to try thumbring without breaking the bank, then get the kaya KTB, or if you want better get a Hwarang from blue lake. I just got a Brand new one in today from him, and it is sweet! Will post pics and review shortly.

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Definitely not! I don't hunt in t shirt and jeans, but there have been the occasional moments where I was not expecting to encounter game and have not spooked any with my gear. Did you get your bow yet? What do you think of it? I shot my bow today and it shoots even better, kind of like how your car "feels" like it drives better after getting some upgrades, ha!

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Yeah it is furry... It looks alive now, it has a soul. I'm going to give it to my son someday. As for the white, it won't matter. Don't you hunt? You should know that the wind direction and the stalk will be much more important than anything else for a hunt. I could be wearing a prom dress, if I dont wait for the right moment to draw, it won't matter. I know. I've caught deer in white t-shirts and jeans before. Doesn't matter much, the movement is what matters.

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(7 replies, posted in Gyeongsangdo)

Congrats on the opening of the new club, looks great! If I had the means I would open one up here, if only the local golf range would cooperate and give me a few shooting lanes, HEHE...

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Now, I think this is ready to go hunting... Or face an army of chinese and japanese soldiers and fling some bamboo arrows at them in battle off my imaginary horse... That may not happen, but this baby is going hunting with me sometime this fall... This is a korean bow blinged out, by yours truly.

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Okay folks! Here is the grand finale..... I finally finished it today, and I am beyond happy with the results and I think anybody can do it. If they have an idea, and can put the thought into it! Now, I have done this the way I envisioned it, the way I would have done it for myself if I was a "posu nim", maybe thomas can explain better, but that is a korean mountain man, who hunted with Guns and Bows. A weapons and survival specialist, in olden times, that is how I know the meaning of the word.

Stingray spine on the belly
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4460.jpg
It really gives depth and volume to the belly
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2299.jpg
Process of sewing on the hair on cow hide with artificial red sinew. The piece must taper from the grip to the tip of the limbs. I measured it out and cut. Then used a leather hole puncher to punch holes 1 inch apart on the sides, about 1/8-1/4" from the ends. I never used one before, but it worked out pretty good... Measurements I took: 22 1/2 long, taper from 2 3/4 inch to 2 inch end to end so it looks like a triangle kind of. You have to cut according to how the hair is facing on the hide, you want the hair to face down to stay flat. This is important. I checked fitment a bunch of times, and I was spot on. On the top limb piece, you have to cut an inch shorter than that even, to make room for the arrow pass.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1313.jpg
Top of limb with calf hair sewn on See the tips!
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5990.jpg
Bottom of limb- See I made it an inch shorter and used a 1" piece of white calf hair to make it pop at  boththe ends. Also figured this small piece can get replaced if need be more easily.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0403.jpg
String Bridge "BIKINI's" I made from stingray. My Kaya KTB has the rubber string bridge which works well, but in order for me to wrap in leather I would have to remove it, and its stuck on pretty good so I didn't want to mess with it. Instead, I added the string bridge bikini's (my name for it) that go right in the groove, and the string goes over it. A nice touch.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1935.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7679.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9035.jpg
I used a Grade AAA quality skin for the arrow pass, it is so beautiful... really try to get the better quality pieces for your project, it makes a difference. It was 1" high, and I measured around for fitment. The bottom I used the "star" from the other skin, and used it under the grip, it looks like a white EYE watching over my back as I shoot, LOL.... Looks and feels amazing...
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4470.jpg
Other side, notice the clean seams.. Barge cement does wonders.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7857.jpg
Small stingray skin used for arrow pass:
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5304.jpg
My new View when I shoot... I love this thing!!!
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5030.jpg
The pictures from my iphone dont do this bow justice!!!
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5404.jpg
Hope you guys enjoyed the show.. I am very very happy and proud with the way it came out! This bow was my "ugly" bow out of the group that I planned to beat on, now its one of the prettiest girls on my block. First time I have ever done anything like this, I had a blast, and hope you guys come up with your own version and show us all..
Note the white tips on the ends..
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9035.jpg

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Bjarup, I don't think it will at all. The stingray is very flexible, as I was able to roll that strip up into a tight roll and it was the spine! Also the barge cement is flexible and very strong it seems, there is not noticeable difference in the draw. I have not had a chance to chrony it before putting this on, but will do once I finish. Now looking at the belly it looks bad ass!!!! I've had knife sheaths custom made for me that were covered in stingray and I've also seen bows online covered in snakeskin that didn't look as good... This gives it a really rich look!

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Heres an update on my project, I have been planning this for a few weeks now but have been so busy to sit down and put this together. I have been planning on inlaying the belly of the KTB with stingray, as the flat black was just too boring for me. The belly on my Hwarang bow is nice and plump, it gives it a very nice shape, whereas on the KTB it is just flat and black.

I removed the wrapping on the ends of the siyahs and the grips
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9907-1.jpg

Wrapped red deer leather strand over the existing black grip, gives it some more thickness and a very soft feel. I like it!
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_5817.jpg

Stingray Piece
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7452.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0574.jpg

I cut the spine out from the middle, it is the approximate thickness of the Kaya KTB belly
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2669.jpg

Once I cut the strip for the spine, I rolled it up as tight as I could to soften it, since the bow will flex... I was kind of concerned about fitment, but as long as you cut it to fit from the grip to the string silencer end to end in the unstrung position, you are good to go. I put barge cement on the stingray piece and carefully lined it up with the belly trying to cover as much of the black as I could, which I did most of it, and it looks pretty good! Might have been better if I had something to cut the stingray in straight pieces, but a scissor is all I had, and stingray is pretty tough stuff to cut through...

Once glued into place, I wrapped it with paracord to push it against the belly for better adhesion which always works for me
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7291.jpg

I let it try for 4 hours in this position, then I strung the bow and checked the fitment of the stingray which was straight. And left it strung for another 2-3 hours so that it would stick better in that position. And after that, I unstrung it and left it overnight...
To be continued....

Hannu, you will definitely need longer arrows... I also have a 29" draw for regular shooting but these 32" gold tip work perfectly for me with the full thumbring draw, although I have been playing with the thumbring glove that Greatree archery sells lately, and it's been a lot easier to shoot, until I get a chance to fiddle with my thumbrings to get better fitment.

Bluelake, is the hwarang available with horn on the belly currently or is production also having to deal with the horn shortage? I have a feeling it's not...

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(12 replies, posted in Arrows)

WarBow wrote:

Thanks!  I am thinking about 4 fletches because I don't have to juggle with the hen fletch.

~HUN~ wrote:

Traditional Korean arrows are 4" pheasant fletched, three per arrow.I cut mine to roughly 1/4 - 3/8 in height.

Show us how they come out...  I'm going to be building my own soon, haven't had the time lately.

WB, the longest ones I've shot are the the Gold Tip 5575 I'm using now, and I have a few that were made slightly longer (inadvertently) I had some saunders screw in glue on tip adapters, and glued on 5/16 glue on 125 grain field tips, so that adds 2 inches at least, I'm estimating the arrow is at least 34" tip to nock. I love this arrow for my KTB bows... They fly straight and hit hard! And they look great.

As for full length I have to check it, should be close, but probably not 35.5" you must have long arms!

I'm 6' 2" and it works for me perfectly, the arrows still have a bit more than an inch if I'm at my full thumbring draw...

I haven't seen longer myself, only the full length bamboo shafts that come 39" on ebay... that may be the quicker and cheaper route than having them custom made, if thats possible.. Hope you find it.

Warbow, there was a horn version of the hwarang? First time I heard.. Will take a look at the grozer, I just want to feel what the old school Korean horn bow feels like, I'm surrounded by my fellow archers that shoot olympic to my left, compound bow hunters and competitors to my right, and a few traditonal recurve and long bow guys mixed in, talk about a melting pot! These guys don't even know what a stick bow looks like let alone shot one, and I'm here looking for the "truth" and having a lot of fun with archery lately practicing the different disciplines... Especially traditional.. It's very humbling...

Warbow, I wasn't aware there was an older model.... That explains it!
The KTB is a great beginners bow with the starting price, but the quality and smoothness doesn't compare with my Hwarang, not even in the same zip code... Hence beginners bow.

Still figuring out how I'm gonna dress this baby up.... I have a sugakji (male thumbring) and it totally helps the draw, but still swells my thumb at the joint after a session, I guess I have to build up those calluses...  I would not want to be poked in the eye by a korean archer, they can probably break bricks with their thumbs, I have broken wooden boards with my fingertips, but that was a long time ago..

I see that in korea when they shoot they shoot in a line, with a few minutes in between each shot, I'm shooting at a rate of about 18 arrows each minute, one after another, Haha... maybe thats why. When I rest for a few mins, the pressure goes away again... I notice that at 20 yards, with the fuller draw it is just a powerhouse, this bow was meant for long distance hits, and it shows.. at the shorter distances it just goes through my bag target like a hot knife through butter... I have to get a heavier target, as I had a few go through my morrel bag target into my backstop (shed), LOL!

I will say that the center serving did come apart, and I have to re-serve the string, but other than that, its been smooth sailing.

I have to mention that the hwarang although its a heavier  poundage draw feels lighter at full draw than the Kaya KTB..

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(57 replies, posted in Bows)

You will love it bjarup.... report back when you get it. The beaver string silencers I have on mine really quiet the shot and any small vibrations that were there. Now it shoots smooth as silk. I'm shooting the same 33" arrows I made for my KTB's on my Khan and they fly great, about 500-550 grains total arrow weight depending on what tip I have on, but I think the FOC weight placement makes a huge difference in making for a more accurate and forgiving shot. Chrony on the way so will post numbers when I get it in.

WarBow wrote:

Trident,

According to Randy ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2U_ZszNQLo ), he got the bow from 3RiversArchery.  I checked out 3RiversArchery and it does not have the Khan in its catalogue.  Furthermore, the Korean bow in the video has string bridges and the Khan does not.  In fact, the bow in the video has no arrow window.  Therefore, we can quite conclusively say that the bow in question is a KTB.

Warbow, I checked again, and I was wrong it does not have an arrow shelf. I thought I saw one there, but the bow was shiny on the limbs like the khan, and he changed the grip so it looked like the khan... He does reply on the bottom of his video that it is the Kaya KTB bow, so you are correct. He must have done some customizing to his Kaya bow as well. Thanks for the heads up.

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(57 replies, posted in Bows)

bjarup don't get confused, the Khan bow is for traditional 3 finger draw. I dont recommend buying one for thumbring draw. Its not meant for that. The khan is basically a western style recurve shooting bow, with the size, cast, and power of the korean bow. Thats it. Thumbring style shooting look into the hwarang, or the kaya ktb bow. Those bows don't have a shelf. Simple. Don't get confused with the thumbring shooting, it is a different technique meant for more korean traditional style bows without the arrow rest.

I saw the video a couple more times and saw that it looks like a Khan? This guy shoots off of 3 fingers. The arrow completely penetrated that buck with no problem. Just amazing. Some long bows and recurves I've seen couldn't penetrate like that. Heavy arrows and close range = penetration