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Already discussing your new bow, eh?

I can only speak for the SMG horn bow but it's a pretty amazing bow. Smooth and fast. There is some shock with ultra light arrows (Actually a gram or 2 under recommended weight) but it's more audible than sensible because the grip absorps it. A very nice bow. Fast too. Suitable for competitions, very suitable for 3d shoots and the likes in rough terrain. Just point and laugh at those silly people carrying around 72 inch longbows almost twice as long tongue
That said I do feel like it's very fragile but that's probably more in my head. Also I just came off a cheap fiberglass bow which was quite honestly expendable in my mind the second I bought it.

(Slightly off topic but my absolute dream bow would be a traditionally made magyar/hunnic/assyrian composite bow, preferably by Novotny from Saluki. But that's a dream to be shelved and cherished for another time tongue)

Pedro C wrote:

yay

I got a Nomad from koreanbow.com, it shipped reasonably fast from Korea

How does it shoot? Pictures? tongue

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Mule wrote:

I'm glad you like the bow, I knew you would wink

Greyhamster wrote:

I also REALLY hate the nocks. It´s part of the Korean bow design but MAN, do I hate them. The loops on the bowstring are so large they can twist and slip over the nocks on to the limbs so you´ve got to be really careful when stringing it.

How are you stringing it? As long as you hold the string in place with one hand while you string the other nock with the step-through method, there shouldn't be any risk of them slipping off the nocks. Those tiny nocks and resulting low tip mass is part of what gives these bows their speed

Mule wrote:

I'm glad you like the bow, I knew you would wink

Greyhamster wrote:

I also REALLY hate the nocks. It´s part of the Korean bow design but MAN, do I hate them. The loops on the bowstring are so large they can twist and slip over the nocks on to the limbs so you´ve got to be really careful when stringing it.

How are you stringing it? As long as you hold the string in place with one hand while you string the other nock with the step-through method, there shouldn't be any risk of them slipping off the nocks. Those tiny nocks and resulting low tip mass is part of what gives these bows their speed

Hmmm, how can I hold it in place with one hand while stringing it? I'm used to keeping the string tensed with the loop hooked around the lower nock as I did with my hungarian and while it works okay it's not nearly as carefree as it is with the hungarian.
I do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYuadxL04Ms
Pretty much to the letter, it's how I thought myself to string my bow


And it's your enthousiasm and praise which drew me to these bows ^.^
I've been out of the country for an internship for a month now and still got about 3 weeks left before I go home. The only thing I really miss is my bow XD

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peterhaslund wrote:

@greyhamster: I looked at koreanbow.com. The SMG is a carbon, not horn http://www.koreanbow.com/shop/index.php … er=product
Your bow looks great, man I wish I could buy one. Sigh...

On request they will buy an SMG bow and ship it to you. It´s not offered on their site though. I mailed them about it:

`Dear Alwin,

Thank you for your inquiry.
We are planning to deal with Song mu gung soon.
And if you want it now, I will supply it for you.

Artificial horn bow : $300 (include shipping)
Laminated horn bow : $460 (include shipping)

Thanks,

Silvia

geoarcher wrote:

That's interesting.  They certainly made it out to look like an SMG that they sell and when I asked them about the bamboo SMG they made it sound like it was basically SMG but they stamp it or something with their own brand name.  I was a bit hesitant though to buy as their message to me was in rather confusing English and if this is true then I'm glad I did. Yeah I'm definitely interested in who they use for their laminate/synthetic bows.

This is what they told me:
`Thank you for your question. Materials are the very same ones with other laminated bows, Layers of Bamboo & Carbonic materials. But our best good point is ours have more bamboo layers in it and have advanced processing technique for carbonic material. And the maker's name is the best brand in Korea under our judgement. Thank you. H. J. Lee KOREA GUNGSULWON`

And I bought the Jung-Gung bow which is an inch shorter and it´s fine for me.

Pedro C wrote:

Nice
The ears look nice and long compared to my Nomad's
I do thumb draw with my right hand, with my 45#@31" (I draw to 32-33") nomad the arrows still go to the right, they're 11/32" spined 55-60
My 45-50 spined bamboo shafts fly pretty much straight or a bit to the right depending on my inconsistent release and how far I draw back.
Shrug.

not sure if you saw this -- are you keeping it in a heat box?

Pedro C wrote:

good luck! Looks beautiful
I want to try doing wide pull-ups and inverted rows to help up my draw weight. It can't be that hard to get used to 5lbs more, right?
would it be necessary to keep it in a heat box at all??

"To maintain optimum level of function of the bow, it is recommended to keep the bow in the heating box once every 5 days."
http://www.smgung.co.kr/2010/english_12_13.htm

No, no heatbox. Muleo has had one for two years and hasn´t kept it in a heatbox so I assume it´s not wholly necessary. It´s also made with modern glue and glue is and was the greatest weakness of ancient composite bows.
That said I do try to keep it dry and carry a soft cloth with me to dry it when I´m done shooting. I also warm it up a bit when shooting (draw 26, 28, 30 inches with the first 3 shots) Not sure if it´s even necesarry but can´t hurt to be safe tongue

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geoarcher wrote:
peterhaslund wrote:

@geoarcher: What do you think I can do to buy a laminated horn bow like yours?

I actually don't have the laminated horn bow.  Rather that's greyhamster's.  I do have a suggestion though: contact Korean Gungsulwon over at this ebay address: http://www.ebay.com/usr/luke1731.  They sell the SMG bows and just about every other Korean archery product you'd ever need.  I asked them about the one by SMG bow made out of all bamboo and they were even willing to sell that one to me.  Their mark up isn't too bad either.  Other than that you could always deal with Koreanbows.com and see what they'd do for you.

I contacted them previously. Their laminated bow is carbonbacked and not SMG but rather from another bowyer. I could look up the message if you want

marc wrote:

Interesting discussion since SMG has an English version of their website!!  I wonder if anyone is taking into account that these bows have to be made by hand?  For the ease of communication and quality of bow you may want to contact bluelake and order a Hwarang.

They´re not actually made by hand though, at least not entirely. The instruction booklet shows a few pictures of the construction process. And when the bowyer finally obtained the necessary horn it only took 5 days before it was finished and shipped.

His Hwarang´s area carbonbacked though and the reason I went through all this trouble is because I wanted a horn-backed bow. It´s also cheaper to buy from SMG. Horn Bow with sock, 2 strings, 2 sets of reserve rubbers and a very sturdy and handy case cost me 420 dollars, compared to the 450 Bluelake asks (No offense to his products or his quality, they are very good as well and he does offer good customer service from what I hear.)

peterhaslund wrote:

@geoarcher: What do you think I can do to buy a laminated horn bow like yours?

Www.koreanbows.com can sell them to you. They have a markup though (430 with shipping vs 395 with shipping)

djkoo wrote:

(speaking from just my own experience with SMG)
I think they just lack resources to communicate with non-korean speaking customers. I speak korean and I gave them a call and texted the lady what I wanted, wired the money a few minutes later, and I saw my bow about 5 days later in Texas. Not to dig into their personal life, but the person that helped me seemed like a mother figure (kids, dogs, etc over the phone) and didn't seem like they have the resource for foreign inquiries.

Again, these are all just guesses from my perspective. I was extremely happy with the service... nothing bad to say. Coming from a Korean culture, its understandable that it is frightening to try to communicate in english when english is so heavily pushed to everyone...

Never had any experience with other distributors but i think it might be easier to obtain it from other sources if possible.

I suppose you are right. I´m just kind of pissed it took 3 months to order a bow and especially because I heard nothing for a month after paying them and because I received a bow 5 lbs above draw weight.

geoarcher wrote:

Agree that SMG has gone to complete hell with customer orders/service.  However, its probably the best company for a modern Korean synthetic as their bows typically outperform the rest in all other categories and the bang for the buck factor is still good.  Shame though they screwed up the draw weight here.  Buying from Gungsulwon may be the better option here after all.

@ Greyhamster: what is the strung length of the bow?  Is it about 50 or 51 inches?

40 inches unstrung, 48 inches when strung. By far the smallest bow I´ve ever seen. It´s the second larges size (advertised as 127 cm, forgot the name)

Brad.Canton wrote:

I asked over at koreanbows.com the lamanted horn bow would be $430 including shipping to NZ I also got a response from warmachie on Facebook but he said that a 35pound one wasn't in stock at the moment

Do keep in mind that their bows are measured at 31.8 inches, so you´ll want to order one about 10 lbs above your regular draw weight (a bow gains about 2,5 lbs per inch)

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On to the bow itself!

I´ve been shooting it for a week now, shooting a few arrows every day. I still suck due to the effort required to draw it, I regularly fuck up the gripping but still, I can see and feel that this is a very, VERY good bow. It has some shock (Using the lightest weight arrows allowed with the bow) but I don´t actually feel it because the grip absorbs the shock. It´s also very quiet. It´s also blisteringly fast. I don´t have access to a chronograph but just by eyeballing I´d say it´s probably the fastest traditional bow on the club, possibly tied with a hunting recurve from a friend. My previous 35 lbs fibreglass hungarian had trouble hitting the 25 meter and I´d see longbow shooters with 40 lbs longbows arcing at the 25 meters as well. This bow just flatlines at that range. I´ve shot a few arrows at 30, 40 and 50 meters just to see how it performs and it´s only at 50 meters that I really have to start aiming quite a bit higher.

I also can´t express just how wonderful the bow feels. It´s light and small and weighs pretty much nothing. The limbs are also slightly bent, so the bowstring rests just to the right of the centre of the bow which is a far more elegant solution than cutting a shelf. The limbs themselves are also wonderfully thin, about the thickness of my thumb.

I do have some gripes though: The grip is a bit small. I can fit my hand on but I have rather small hands (latex gloves size S, size 7 for surgery gloves should anyone be familiar with those sizes) and I do sort of wish it was a bit bigger. I also REALLY hate the nocks.
http://www.hornbow.com/hktb2.jpg
It´s part of the Korean bow design but MAN, do I hate them. The loops on the bowstring are so large they can twist and slip over the nocks on to the limbs so you´ve got to be really careful when stringing it. You also can´t twist them or make the loops smaller because the loops themselves fall in two grooves to ensure they are in the right place. Stringing it is a bit harder than my hungarian bow. It´s also a bit of a shame that there´s brightly colored markings and stickers on the nocks.
Like I said, I recieved a bow 5 lbs heavier than ordered and it´s thus a good 10 lbs above my previous bow. I can´t really draw it back to my full 32 inches but I have not noticed any stacking so far.

Bottom line: I really like this bow. I bought it as my competition bow (it being horn backed, completely traditional, small, light and having top-notch performance) and it certainly delivers. I´m sure I will feel comfortable doing field shooting or 3d shooting with this bow. I´ll certainly be able to giggle at folks carring a 70 inch longbow around and snagging it on branches tongue It´s a great bow in many regards even though I do have some issues with it. I would heartily recommend it to anyone, although perhaps obtained through other channels.


Finally, a question from me: What´s a good way to maintain the birch bark cover?

Also, what arrow spines for what bow weight do you guys use? It looks like I might have to get 11/32 shafts which feels kind of thick. But I´m getting a required spine of 65-70 with my 55lbs SMG bow.

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Mule wrote:

Yeah their customer service is pretty crap but... their product is great... Don't make up your mind until you shoot it. They shoot as good as they look, if the koreanbow.com bows are anything like Kaya KTBs, they don't compare to the SMG

Was more referring to the fact that koreanbows sells you the SMG bows on request. In hindsight I should probably have done that.

i´m going to try and shoot it tomorrow!

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So four weeks after paying them SMG finally responded. A week later the bow was sent my way and another week later it arrived at my home. It´s a beautiful thing, a work of art. When strung it´s barely larger than the arrows I use with it. It´s light and well balanced, the grip is sturdy. It´s got a very subtle twist in the limbs meaning that rather than being centre-cut with a shelf it´s off-side limbed, making it a non-ambidextrous bow with less trouble from the archer´s paradox but more visually appearling than a centre-cut bow.
The limbs are the width of my thumb. It´s amazingly thin. The buffalo horn is awesome.
http://i.imgur.com/HR6SfJv.jpg

Unfortunately it´s also 5lbs heavier than what I ordered (Ordered 50 got one marked as 55) and it might be measured at a different distance (they say 31.8 inch) or heavier than that because it´s bloody heavy. I can barely draw it the 28 inches to my mouth, nevermind my usual 32 behind the ear. I actually can´t even shoot it. I can draw it back three times before my arms just blood fail me. It´s about 45+ lbs at 28 inches. I´m naturally quite slender and I´ve been going to the gym and I´m just going to draw and hold the bow for 10 times a day for a week so I´ll manage but this isn´t what I´d expect from such a company.
Album here

In short, I´m rather torn on this thing. On the one hand it´s the most beautiful bow I´ve ever seen by quite some distance (TBF most people at my range shoot compounds, olympic recurves or english longbows) On the other hand the service from SMG has been dogshit. I also can´t actually say anything about the bow´s performance as I don´t think it´s wise for me to shoot it anytime soon. I do expect it to be very fast though with the thin limbs. It will also be very silent with the rubber string stops.

I´m afraid I can´t recommend anyone to buy the bow from SMG. I´d recommend throwing some extra money towards Freddy Wong and getting replied to within a day and hopefully a better attention to bow weight.

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marc wrote:

Hello Kokoro!!  Bluelake sells what he calls the Hwarang bow at his website online.  Just Google Hwarang bow and you'll find what you looking for along with contact info. wink

Thats A HMG bow tho. Also A great bow apparently

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NickAntz wrote:

They look like an old and successful company. Don't worry.

Hope so. Sent a third email because the third week since payment is Wednesday and still have no reply. Winter competition has started and I'm still stuck with my slow fibreglass bow D: I did finally manage to hit the target at 25 meters though so there is that. Gotta aim at least 30 degrees above the target  lol

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I was finally able to order a bow. The whole process was agonizingly slow because it would take about 2 working days to get a reply. But hey it worked!

Unfortunately after I transferred the money 2 weeks ago SMG stopped responding. I don't even know if the money has arrived. I sent them 2 emails so far but they've just stopped responding altogether. Last email is from 2 weeks ago telling me he cant check his bank account until the following wednesday because of a holiday. This was last week's wednesday. Starting to feel like I've been scammed. No fun sad

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marc wrote:

Great to see that they carry SMG's now!! smile

And it has free shipping!
It´s still a bit expensive tho (SMG sells that bow for 250)

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Freddie also sells the smg bow if you ask for it. High markup tho, 450 for the laminated horn bow (with sshipping)

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geoarcher wrote:
Greyhamster wrote:
geoarcher wrote:

He was the one SMG would refer people to for a while to get orders rather then they themselves conducting the ordering process.  Not exactly sure if that meant he was their middle man or if he carried the items in his shop but either way he was their designated sales rep for what seemed to be 'outside orders'.  It appears this has ceased to be.

He still has the bows for sale on his website but unfortunately he did not respond to my emails either. I see he hasn´t posted on this site since 2012 as well.

Yeah I know.  I wanted to buy some of his other leather craft goods that he makes but that never came to be either even after multiple contacts via email and even FB.

Odd, because he´s still active on FB. Speaking of which, have you seen the white horn bow he posted?
https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12047132_1071881922829647_3706185792718447826_n.jpg?oh=c4ca52d04818bf90650c484084859ddc&oe=565E9354
Hnnnngg, do want

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geoarcher wrote:
marc wrote:

Thanks Greyhamster!!

Very interesting info geoarcher.  I could be wrong but I think Korea Quiver is Mechwars site. wink

He was the one SMG would refer people to for a while to get orders rather then they themselves conducting the ordering process.  Not exactly sure if that meant he was their middle man or if he carried the items in his shop but either way he was their designated sales rep for what seemed to be 'outside orders'.  It appears this has ceased to be.

He still has the bows for sale on his website but unfortunately he did not respond to my emails either. I see he hasn´t posted on this site since 2012 as well.

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And finally, the order form. These are the three files which I got

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The purchase order file

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Here´s some of the files

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geoarcher wrote:

Did you guys contact the site directly?

Yeah. Sent them a bunch of emails to the adress listed on their site. You gotta be persistent though because I think I sent about 4 emails, the first one being sent a month ago. I then got a reply yesterday with their orde form and a list of specs and prices.

If you wish I can forward you those files? Saves you an email

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peterhaslund wrote:
geoarcher wrote:

I've noticed these guys have been pretty unresponsive to outside orders for a while.  Have no idea what's up with this either.

I got through today, they responded after quite a few weeks. Don't give up.

Yesss, me too!

Now to decide what size of a bow to choose. And to ensure I get the right draw weight. The site doesn't specify at what length they measure it. I'm very excited already though ^.^

Ah, that's a shame. In that case it's not really worth it to me. I can drive down to a store in the Netherlands and buy a ewKTB korean bow for about 180 dollars, shooting it for a bit and choosing the exact right draw weight. I'd only go through the hassle and extra costs of importing for the more authentic looking laminated horn bow. Sorry. Good luck with selling it!

Ms267 wrote:

Hi,

Thank you, Pedro! Greyhamster, I hope one of these links will work for pix:

http://i.imgur.com/q4yPDEu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/q4yPDEu.jpg

I am located in the US and would certainly ship to Europe. In terms of the type of SMG bow/string offset, I will check and should be able to get back to you by this weekend. Looking forward!

Still waiting for this tongue

storm wrote:

I measured several SMG bows, manufactured between 2009 and 2011, and all of them had the draw weight that was advertised at around 29". The force-draw graphs are somewhere on the forum. 4 lbs/in is about right in the last few inches, for a bow of 50#

Is the draw weight given for SMG bows measured at 31 or at 29 inches? Because I can manage a 60# at 31.5 inch bow as that would be something like 45 at 28 inches, right? If it's 60# at 29 inches I wouldn't be able to use it.

Mule wrote:

Has the bow weight been measured? My SMG's sticker weight is 50# but measures 60#@31.5"

Oh wow, serious difference!

Ms267 wrote:

Hi,

Thank you, Pedro! Greyhamster, I hope one of these links will work for pix:

http://i.imgur.com/q4yPDEu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/q4yPDEu.jpg

I am located in the US and would certainly ship to Europe. In terms of the type of SMG bow/string offset, I will check and should be able to get back to you by this weekend. Looking forward!

Haha, those pictures are a bit small tongue Can't really inspect it beforehand so I want to do a quicky visual check see it to see what state it is in.

Which typeof SMG bow  is it tho? Bamboo, artificial horn or laminated horn?

Hmm, have been trying to get an SMG bow of 55# at 31 inches. I suppose 60 isn't that much more. What type of SMG bow is it? Do you have any pictures? I assume you're located in the US, yes? Would you ship to Europe?

Also, if I'm not mistaken SMG bows are not centre-strung and the string is slightly offset to allow the arrow to clear the riser more easily. I'm a right handed thumb ring shooter so I'd need a bow with a bowstring situated to the right. Could you check how it is with your bow?