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(57 replies, posted in Bows)

bjarup, the Khan has plenty of power for hunting my man.... I am shooting the 55#@29 inch draw just like you and this thing throws arrows!

I'm shooting 500, and 550 grain arrows, total weight, some 600 grain arrows, and the penetration I get is astounding. It is also silent, you can barely hear it, only the arrow whacking the target.

I put some beaver fur silencers on mine, shoot it three finger at a slight cant, and I'm shooting groups out to 15-20 yards with no problems!  I'm new to traditional archery and this bow has been very forgiving and a ton of fun. I don't think I will ever shoot another type of traditional bow with a 3 finger draw after having shot this one.

I have shot my friends long bows, and recurves, and they are just too bulky and have unnecessary weight and heft. To me I feel like I'm holding a log with a string after using this.

This bow feels like an extension of your hand, doesn't even weigh a pound, and is very forgiving.
I use the full length 33" carbon arrows I'm using for my other Korean Traditional bows (Gold Tip Traditional 5575), and it shoots where I point it.

I have a cronograph on its way to me, I will post the different speeds and FPE (foot pounds energy) calculation based on weight and speed to see how much power this thing is actually making. This is a phenomenal bow for the money, and is built to last with the micarta limb tips.

I recommend heavier arrows, like 500 grains, to get optimal flight. I tried lighter weight beman 340 carbon arrows, that were 9.3 GPI with 100 grain field points, and they were fishtailing all over the place. The arrows flew noticeably faster, very very fast but they were flying erratically.

Now, haha I don't know if that was my shooting or the light weight arrows, but I'm sure the arrows were more sensitive to proper release at the lighter weight. These heavier arrows I'm using are much more stable and smooth shooting. If you want to use your carbon arrows, I recommend getting 100 grain brass inserts for the front end, with 125 grain points, leave it a few inches longer than the draw and let them fly. Also using 5" feathers on a 120 degree right wing helical is great.

I am experimenting with 4" feathers, 4 fletch with 90 degree placement and right wing helical to see if there is a difference, and will report back. Somehow I feel the 5" feathers X 3 @120 right wing helical is the best combination.

What do you plan on hunting and where are you hunting?

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Aha! I was right.... I thought I saw that somewhere.... Yes iron bows.... I've read stories about them before, like they were mythical weapons for their time.

I have seen the mongolian bows, and they are UGLY.... just my opinion! And look heavier at the limb tips, though I've never handled one. They decorate their bows with patterns and designs drawn on them. And it seems they use birch for wood arrows. They also use the sinew and animal horn, although it seems it wasn't water buffalo specific, like mountain goat, and whatever horn they could get their hands on that could be cut to strips, and they use a lot of wood, no mention of bamboo from the ones I've seen.

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

I could be wrong but I swear I read about it somewhere... Could it have been one of those fugazi souvenir type ones? Maybe.... I could be wrong as to authenticity of such a bows existence in actual history but I'm pretty sure I saw an iron bow that was wrapped in fur somewhere... Can't place it though...

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(14 replies, posted in Daejeon)

Wow! Great Pics!! Mr.Yun has a great draw... I have been speaking to him lately about his bow and arrow quiver as I have them on order. Wish there was a range/club like this in U.S. or close to me...

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Thank you JBL, I got in the stingray so I'm trying to figure out if it will stick to the inside of the bow limb and flex with it or how to inlay it in...  I saw some ancient mongolian metal bows, that were covered with fur, it was interesting... That these ancient peoples used iron to make bows, I didn't know that.

And those bows made of iron were covered in fur, like some of the plains indians bows.
So I'm going to assume that ancient korean bows were covered in fur and decorative materials and customized as well. There are very few bows actually that survived due to age and that fact that they were made of natural materials.

Korean archery, I read in thomas's book had standardized the bow in modern times but it seems the bows were made to fit the archer in past history. Same as korean swords, they were also made in many different sizes to suit the user. That is why you won't see a standard version of a korean sword, like chinese and japanese swords, which all look the same. I find that very interesting...

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(23 replies, posted in Technique)

Thomas, you mentioned nocking point, what is a great fool proof way to find it? Also is it okay to put a small nocking point on the string to keep the arrow in place? Not sure if it was the nocks on my arrows but it kept sliding up and down the string and was hard to get consistent shot placement and release on my kaya ktb... My shots were off to the right. I'm sure my technique can be improved with practice but I dont want to get any bad habits. It's like if you are in korea and practice there, the techniques are for 145m shots, most of us outside of Korean can only shoot indoors most of time which is 20-40 yards on the average, I wonder if the aiming and technique is the same, you are probably used to aiming in the air to hit your 145m target and I'm aiming down my arrow and sight shooting close range...also I didn't have mug time lately to shoot the kaya ktb so I need to practice a lot more..

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(14 replies, posted in Thumb Rings)

I have a sugakji and an amgakji and both are good. Although the sugakji is pain free compared to the amgakji which needs getting used to, while I feel almost no pressure (comparitively), it's great. They are both different and have their own points... I suggest you try the sugakji if you can get your hands on one. I know bluelake has them on hand and can ship

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(12 replies, posted in Arrows)

I think the consensus is 5" feathers X 3, and four inch feathers X 4. I use a bitzenberger right helical and the ones I made recently fly great! They just fly straight. I have made some up with 4 feather parabolic @90 degrees so will let you guys know how they fly.. Maybe not the fastest arrows in the world, but they shoot where I point and are quiet and hits the target hard! I am currently shooting gold tip 5575 with 100 grain brass inserts at the tip, and 125 grain field point, and I weighed them on my scale and they are exactly 550 grains give or take a grain but that's from the variation in the carbon arrows weight. I had some glue on adapters and I've made 500 grain arrows, 550 grain which I've shot and fly awesome, and one monster 600 grain arrow, which includes a 25 grain lumenok, and a glue on point adapter with brass 125 grain tips.  I'm going to have to get a chronograph to measure speed and calculate FPE (foot pounds energy) to see how much power I'm making.

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(26 replies, posted in Arrows)

What kind of nocks are those? I have been looking for some nocks similar to that to use on my Gold tip traditional carbon arrows, instead of the bright white bohning ones. Also, I investigated using a full length arrow wrap in carbon fiber picture graphic print, but it would add too much weight and bulk to the carbon arrow blank. I guess we will have to wait and see when these are ready for sale.. They look amazing. Wish gold tip did some traditional arrows in bamboo print, but there just isn't enough of a demand for them in the american market at the moment I guess.

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(12 replies, posted in Arrows)

Hey steve, I ordered up 100 shafts and a couple hundred pheasant feathers from tiger, great guy to deal with, thanks for the heads up, and yes he does offer shafts up to that weight and is willing to do anything you need as long as you order a decent quantity.

~HUN~ wrote:

Joe,
You can purchase good quality bamboo shafts 33" long on the net. I've used these myself and I can recommend them. Look on Ebay, user name stmmrr1968, he offers shafts up to 92+#.
33" shafts should be ample unless the bow is Jang-gung.

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(3 replies, posted in Arrows)

Hey hannu great pics!! Is that artificial sinew? And do you use fletching cement over it once its wrapped? I have fletch tape on its way to me, going to try it out on my next batch of shafts, I can only imagine it will be cleaner but wonder how it holds up.. I like the smell actually...

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Were going to have to make a play date and show off our babies soon!..

WarBow wrote:

Trident,

We are in serious trouble, as in serious addiction!  I too have too many Korean and Hungarian bows to count.

Trident wrote:
bluelake wrote:

Great!

Thanks thomas! Now I'm gonna have to get a bow rack made for my growing collection... What started out as one compound bow grew to 2 compound bows over the summer, and recently 2 Korean bows with 2 more Korean bows on the way and growing... I'm sick!

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Oops yes I got the two mixed up this is a thread about the Kaya KTB... Thomas, I guess I can't stop thinking about the Hwarang I have on order with you sir, Ha..

bluelake wrote:

No problem with the Hwarang bows--they have a beautiful leather wrap done by the bowyer (I'm basing the one I'm doing on this Kaya on it).

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Okay Ladies and Gentlemen... Here are the pics please give me your comments and thoughts on my progress so far....

Kaya Bow, black leather grip after drying 24 hours outside grip. You can see the line where it joins for placement, but it is barely noticeable when looking at it. The original grip also had it join on this side, but the maker overlays the pattern so its difficult to distinguish, does a good job on it. Whats underneath is the black foam grip, which was in previous pictures. You can also see the arrow pass leather also is finished in this way.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8243.jpg

Inside Grip, clean. Notice the string, switched it to the white one for a few days
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2690.jpg

Here is the paracord wrapped over the leather as it dried to keep pressure on the leather to the grip, and the 2 ends together at the seam. I wrapped it tightly, and I think it helped with the proper adhesion no bubbles, and beautiful placement.There was just enough glue on the other side the back of the leather was smoothed over with the plastic knive evenly. Once I removed the wrap, it was stationary, rock solid stationary. This can be peeled off if need be and replaced or whatever. No permanence to this mod. If you have a slight crease, rub some lotion on it, and keep rubbing the spot, the glue may still move around a tiny bit to get out any imperfections you find when you remove the cord.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0367.jpg

Looks more like a big boys bow already.. Classy.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2802.jpg

This is the Kaya Khan. About to pull the wrap off. This is just my technique, I have never done this before, or even worked with leather or on my bows. I just felt that it would make it better, the ideas just come to me. It feels refreshing to be able to do this. I But I was very happy with the way its turning out so far..
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8117-1.jpg

I put one of those rubber tubes used to cover recurve and long bows I got from 3riversarchery, the shur grip. You cut the length to fit and roll over the handle. The original suede and laces are still under there. It gave me a very nice grip on the bow, an improvement for my big hands. And I glued the leather and wrapped around that. So its really removeable. This one I put the seam on the outside, because of the contour of the grip. It was a flat surface to close the seam on the outside grip, the inside has a contour that I didnt think would be good to put the seam there.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9010.jpg

Outside of grip, the seam is very slight. That I might try to cover with a thin strip of stingray for added grip and to cover the seam, but it doesnt need it... Feels rock solid as it is.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9340.jpg

Ready for action baby! I think this bow is perfect now! For now..Ha! Oh man the grip feels awesome with the 3 finger draw... Makes the draw feel like a little less weight 55#  as it spreads the pressure on my left hand when drawing it back because the grip fills my hand much better and I'm drawing at a slight cant with this bow since its meant for 3 finger draw.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_6291.jpg

My 2 (for now) Korean Brothers From Another Mother...
Note the quiver. Its an old Neet classic quiver that most of you have seen or used, It was the first quiver my father got me. Its at least 15 years old. I had some material left over so I decided my bows needed their company to dress accordingly to the occasion.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_7070.jpg

You can see I wrapped it around the seam, marked it with one of my kids colored pencil to fit, tried fitting a bunch of times to make sure I had it right, fitting is everything, if you want it to look good. Because once that glue is on, theres no turning back for that piece of trim. I actually miscalculated the length, but had enough red leather to cover it on the trim and it actually worked out! I stuffed the quiver with newspapers to make it rock hard and give it a shape. Otherwise, these quivers are so soft you will have a hard time wrapping it and fitting it. Once it hardens it actually makes the quiver stiffer which was a bonus. I plan on lining the top of the quiver with Black rabbit fur trim on the outside and inside to quiet it a bit. And will finish it off with a stingray butt cap if I have the right size material left over. I turned a tired old quiver, into the new girl on the block! Now, with the arrows... I think I'm good to go. When the bamboo arrows come in, I will attempt make those and show you guys how it goes... stay tuned.. give us your opinions and ideas. Be brutal, Be honest. Just say something guys. I want to know that I'm not the only person who's wondering the possibilities here. Straight Mind. Straight Body. (Learned that from thomas).
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8569.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0863.jpg
TRIDENT

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Warbow-

I picked up a buffalo horn guitar pick, and was going to trim it into a size that fits the arrow pass with my dremel to see how it would fit.. I would glue it with barge cement and see how it does. The decorative string that is wrapped around the limbs is easy to do over if need be. I used to do guide wraps on the fishing rods I made, and its basically the same, easy to finish off the ends, anyone could do it. Maybe change the colors if I wanted to also... One of the things I'm working on customizing.

And I would have to shoot  it and see if that actually created any "tuning", as I know that the string silencers have helped the Khan become even more quiet and smoother than it was before, which was great.

Also the bow silencers are rubber, I think I could probably wrap that with thin leather also and glue it back on, but probably best not to touch that yet, as I have to study the hwarang to see how its done if its easy, I'll try it. I know I just put nail glue on it to secure it before.

I ordered long thin strips of stingray to possibly inlay on the inside of the limbs, where its black. Also maybe try it on the arrow pass, and see how it holds up as it is a very tough material from my experience... They all come from thailand now. I know it was also used in korean weaponry and decoration in the past, so I'm staying traditional.

The outside of the limbs I was picturing and you don't have to agree with me on this, but a hair on calf hide strips covering the outside of the limbs in jet black... And then trim lace holes on the sides and lace it up with black or red sinew to wrap the limbs, this can be removed of course. Which would then be covered up by stingray inlays on the back side. Yeah....

Its my vision of a custom bow that I would have made if I was a hwarang or a korean warrior with my personal tastes back in history... Thats the fun of it for me, personalization and customization is something that I enjoy owning and using in life to the fullest

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Hi Thomas if mine comes like that you don't have to do a thing, I will handle the grip part... I hope it comes with something nice on mine though... If not I can wrap it..

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(35 replies, posted in Thumb Rings)

yeah my thumb feels like that too, ordered a thumbring glove that Greatree archery makes, will try that out... thumbring is good too, just need to get used to it...

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(3 replies, posted in Bows)

Also curious about this... What is the best way to keep and maintain a shine on the limbs, etc? Anybody know?

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(6 replies, posted in Bows)

hey Zdog, catch anything yet with your kaya??

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

I removed the grip covering and started to wrap it with some very nice ostritch leather pieces I got... And will update pics as I go along... the grip on the kaya is rubber. I plan to fully customize this bow, as it is affordable to do so, as a fun project.... going to try some crazy stuff... Stay tuned...

Grip on Kaya KTB comes off, peel carefully, its covered by Barge Cement...
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1142.jpg

closer look
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1142.jpg

Tools Needed: Scissors, knife, barge cement, plastic knife to spread glue and leather piece, cord..
Wrap leather whole piece around grip, score roughly with knife, and cut with scissor to approximate size. Try to stretch leather piece as some will stretch 1/4" to 1" depending on the type of leather used. Once dry fitting is done, spread barge cement, let dry for a min, and put on and squeeze ends together and wrap with cord. Will update as it is still drying, needs 24 hours to dry...
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3026.jpg

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

bluelake wrote:
Trident wrote:

...the average archer shot bamboo backed bows, (guk gung) ...

You probably mean jukgung (죽궁), which is a bamboo bow.  Gukgung (국궁) means "national archery" (traditional archery).

Oops I meant Juk Gung, but got mixed up with the G and J...

So after buying arrows all these years and getting ripped off, I had enough, after seeing the horrible work my local archery shop does on re-fletching my arrows not to mention having to wait until they are "ready"... I felt like I was at their mercy whenever I needed a change or wanted to get them fixed, well.... NOT ANYMORE!

I went on ebay and picked up everything I needed, one stop shopping. I bought a bitzenburger jig  (kind of pricey at almost $100 but worth it because it is the best) with a right hand helical clamp, a bunch of fletching in the colors and lengths I wanted to try out, some fletch glue, shafts, inserts, nocks, fletch removal tool, and thats it. I also have bamboo arrow shafts on the way, and ordered some bone and horn nocks, pheasant feathers, feather burner, and THOMAS DUVERNAY'S bamboo arrow making video and plan on attempting it...

I followed the instructions which came with the jig, very very easy... And the first arrows were kind of sloppy with the glue because I was not used to removing the clamp without removing the fletch together because the glue didn't dry enough, but after a few tries, I got the hang of it and it was so much fun and liberating to make my own arrows!! Freedom!

If you have not done so, I suggest you try to make your own, it couldn't be easier, and the possibilities are endless as you can tune them and make them to your hearts desire....

Bitzenberger JIG
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1398.jpg

Fletched Gold Tip Traditional 5575 shafts with 3 Right Wing Helical Fletched 5" Barred Feathers, also put a 100 gr Gold tip insert for weight, and 125 gr point, I think these bows like heavier arrows, but won't know for sure unless I try them out.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1350.jpg

Shaft looks like real wood, it looks pretty good actually...

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3201.jpg

Bundle of my first arrows
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_9792.jpg

Red and white color combo my fave..
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_8204.jpg

Bamboo piece I got on ebay, I made into a quiver, just drilled holes top and bottom, nice!
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/hwarang1/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2129.jpg

Anybody else make up their own? Share stories please..

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Upon reading some history about korean warfare, it seems the average archer shot bamboo backed bows, (guk gung) which I'm told is also really smooth shooting just the same... Makes sense... They were probably more durable and are definitely easier to maintain and set up compared to horn bows From what I am learning... I'm also learning my thumb hurts like a sob as I get used to drawing with the thumbring, ha. But it gets easier every day..

Wow great video! I have seen this before thanks for the link... Yeah I didn't notice before but this is a kaya khan in the video he took that deer with... It's perfect for ground blinds because it's compact..

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(76 replies, posted in Bows)

Lolol... Definitely worth every penny.. And then you can get a hwarang once you get a good feel for it... I plan on customizing my kaya (nothing permanent) In a little while, I believe the story is that each archer customized and in most cases built their own bows back in Korean history... So I am going to try something on the kaya soon... Stay tuned..