Will,
That makes sense. I always wondered how that was done. I do not have a scale, but perhaps I will check around and see if one can be found. It would be very interesting to know.
101 2011-12-10 03:38:59
Re: FPS 55# Hwarang (26 replies, posted in Bows)
102 2011-12-10 03:17:21
Re: FPS 55# Hwarang (26 replies, posted in Bows)
210-220 fps out of a 50# bow is wonderful.
Bluelake, were those carbon shafts or bamboo?
103 2011-12-10 03:07:36
Re: FPS 55# Hwarang (26 replies, posted in Bows)
Willscarlet, is their a formula for that? do you have it? Or would I need some measuring device for that?
104 2011-12-10 03:06:26
Re: FPS 55# Hwarang (26 replies, posted in Bows)
I was drawing the bow to 32.5, that is the back of the field tip.
It really surprised the guys at the trad shop. One of the owners was looking at the numbers with me. The other owner walked up and said the only reason I was getting those numbers were because of my small feathers.
I suggested that he find a 55# bow on his rack that will shoot THESE arrows that fast? He mumbled something and walked off.
A true testament to these designs.
105 2011-12-10 02:52:33
Re: FPS 55# Hwarang (26 replies, posted in Bows)
Hey Jamie,
You know Im not for sure. You probably know better than I, it is the bow that I had with the frog skin?
106 2011-12-09 23:42:50
Re: FPS 55# Hwarang (26 replies, posted in Bows)
For comparison, here is a video that I had watched some time ago. These are very good western style recurves for comparison.
107 2011-12-09 22:32:40
Topic: FPS 55# Hwarang (26 replies, posted in Bows)
I just got back from the semi local trad shop and shot the techno hunt and was able to test out the hwarang and see what the fps would be on it.
These are the numbers that I came up with. I am a little fatigued from shooting, so not all of the shots were full drawn.
Every shot was done with the same arrow. A full length 32.5 carbon that weigh 10gpi with 125 grain field tip, and three, four inch feathers. A longer draw would have certainly produced better results.
Also, please keep in mind that my release has yet to be perfected.
225.1
225.1
236.9
236.9
237.7
238.6
239.5
240.0
Not sure if any of you have ever checked this, but if you have any numbers that would be interesting to see, especially different makes of the KTB.
Compared to the nicest western style recurves or longbows....these numbers are very impressive.
Please comments
108 2011-12-05 19:56:55
Re: Made my own bamboo arrows for the first time.... (28 replies, posted in Arrows)
I just received two arrows from Trident today. I had a chance to shoot them out of the 55# Hwarang.
I am so impressed with them. They fly straight, are beautiful to look at, and they feel so right in the hand. Also, I have not gotten a chance to weigh them, but they feel much more dense than other common wood arrows.
A lot more "heft" than the carbon arrows that Im used to shooting. I will be ordering some bamboo after hunting season!
thanks George,
Joe
109 2011-12-03 01:37:37
Re: Shooting baby arrows in a bamboo shaft? (22 replies, posted in Technique)
Thomas,
That is just wonderful! Thank you for the explanation.
Also the youtube link was helpful
110 2011-12-02 12:22:02
Re: Shooting baby arrows in a bamboo shaft? (22 replies, posted in Technique)
Does anyone have an photos of how the "chute" and arrow, are held in the hand. I want to try this! But am very much afraid!
111 2011-11-27 19:39:16
Re: First Traditional Bow (30 replies, posted in Bows)
You can get a 32.5" carbon arrow, with a great variety of spines. To me, these are very economical start.
As soon as I can Im going to start working on some bamboo arrows that Trident and JBL have.
But the carbon are straight, economical, and have a wide variety of spines that you can choose from.
In my experience, 5-10lb over for spine of the arrows to start with. Once the release gets to be more efficient, then maybe even higher.
112 2011-11-27 19:31:44
Re: New Hwarang vs Old Hwarang (19 replies, posted in Bows)
Jamie,
Thank you for the comparison photos.
It is impressive to me the only subtle differences of these bows. I think that it really speaks to the overall design of the Korean bow.
All and all hard to improve on!
113 2011-11-27 16:07:49
Re: Great archery club in Daejeon (14 replies, posted in Daejeon)
Could not agree more with you Trident, something like that, just relatively close, would be a great opportunity.
Beautiful Photos.
114 2011-11-26 13:00:54
Re: First Traditional Bow (30 replies, posted in Bows)
Joe,
It is my opinion you need to decide if you really want to shoot this style. It is great fun, and you will enjoy it thoroughly!
Find yourself a used bow, and give it a try. When I first learned the thumb ring it was with an old bear 100% fiberglass bow that I had to rework the handle. It had a shelf on it. It was 45#. Paid 35.00 dollars for it, and it was impressive how it would throw a full length carbon arrow.
It made an impression, because to shoot the bow with fingers, and then shoot the bow with the ring was a world of difference in performance. Then and there, I was convinced of the virtues of the ring.
You should really ask yourself what are you looking for in traditional archery? Are you looking to shoot aspirin out of the air, or are you more concerned with a more "traditional" technique and approach?
What you decide should have an impact on the equipment you choose.
115 2011-11-23 02:52:59
Re: New Hwarang vs Old Hwarang (19 replies, posted in Bows)
If you have to ruin an arrow, that is the way to do it! Nice shot!
116 2011-11-23 01:07:04
Re: Koryo (3 replies, posted in Bows)
Alright, Thank you for all the info.
I thought that the bow was strictly constructed of bamboo, and had a little more history than that.
No wonder I could not find too much info......
117 2011-11-22 17:13:20
Topic: Koryo (3 replies, posted in Bows)
Here is a link to a photo of the bow
http://www.koreanarchery.org/index.php? … &id=83
I was hoping to come across someone who might have a little bit of history of these bows, and any information in the construction of these bows.
The biggest questions that I have are about the riser. And how it is put together.
For some reason this bow really interests me.
It seems simpler in the amount of materials that are put together, but I can see where keeping the bamboo bending at the right locations would make it a challenge.
Would one need to heat treat and take as much care as it one would with the horn composite? Especially during bracing?
Also, what role did this bow play in history? Can it be dated as far back as the horn composite?
Thank you
Joseph
118 2011-11-22 14:11:35
Re: SMG Medium-Length Bow (3 replies, posted in Bows)
Warbow, could you post some photos of the bow?
119 2011-11-22 01:57:48
Topic: The bamboo arrow and penetration on big game. (3 replies, posted in Hunting)
Does anyone have, or know of any experiences of bamboo arrows and hunting big game with them?
Trident's thread show casing his arrows has really got me thinking that I need to try my hand at making some.
It would be informative to know of any experiences any might have or heard of.
Thank you,
Joseph
120 2011-11-22 01:53:32
Re: Made my own bamboo arrows for the first time.... (28 replies, posted in Arrows)
Trident,
Did you get a weight on the rest of the arrows? It would be interesting to know what the weight is?
How was the accuracy of the bamboo?
I just did some experimenting with weight tubes in full length carbons. And they add a lot of weight. I want to start using bamboo, but will have to wait until season is over. These specific tubes add 5 grains per inch.
This is just over 450 grains with tips and all. For penetration I have heard that about 10-11 grains per pound of draw weight. So with the 45lb Hwarang that would be just about right.
Please, keep us updated on your arrows.
Very nice work.....I may have to order a dozen from you..:-)
121 2011-11-21 02:00:22
Re: New Hwarang vs Old Hwarang (19 replies, posted in Bows)
In my opinion, the fit and finish of the Hwarang is a stark contrast from that of the KTB.
When it comes to shooting, the KTB was a rocket launcher. Maybe faster than the 55 Hwarang? But it seemed not quite as smooth as the Hwarang and at full draw was not as pleasant to hold. This could have been just a matter of the grip.
And perhaps that could be easily remedied if I had made some adjustments to the handle like some here have done.
It is so hard to talk about different bows, and vague terms such as "stability, cast, smooth draw". These terms are so hard to quantify from shooter to shooter. What one might deem as stable, the other might not.
I am a firm believer that different shooting techniques can deliver different results from the same bow.
And if this is the case, then different users will get different results from different bows. And to me this is a positive.
Also, you will be hard pressed to find any honest person tell you that pound for pound, a real horn bow will shoot faster or flatter than a modern day composite. I've come across no one who will honestly tell me that you will get better results. And I am speaking about quantifiable results. Ones that can be measured.
For example, I had a 850.00 dollar crim tartar from Lukas Novotny. Great guy to deal with and a bowyer like no other.
The bow was 50lbs at 30 inches. I had a KTB that was also 50lbs at 32 inches. And while using identical arrows, that little kaya, was far beyond that Saluki in speed and arrow penetration.
Yet, the saluki was stable and easy to shoot, and the fit and finish was like no other.
Some guys have a lot of money into horn bows, and so often a person can see different things when they have so much invested it.
Conversely, almost all who have shot a horn bow will tell you it is different. A different feel, but not better results.
This is what makes traditional archery so enjoyable. It's a very personal experience.
Once again, my opinion and I do not in anyway ever mean to offend anyone.
122 2011-11-20 14:39:13
Re: New Hwarang vs Old Hwarang (19 replies, posted in Bows)
Congrats on your new hwarang Jbl.
Photo's please!
Per Blue Lake's comments when I had my older Hwarang for sale. It is was made my a now disabled bowyer, and is the best modern version of the korean bow made.
Not only from Blue Lake, but from users all around the world, I heard that the older Hwarangs are a superior Korean bow. Cast and ease of draw, has not been equaled with any of the other models.
Now that being said, I had a 55# Hwarang, that is so impressive. And I had a Kaya KTB that was also a rocket launcher, but lacked something.
Anyway, if this is true about the older Hwarang's, hold on to one if you can get it! They are becoming more and more valuable.
123 2011-11-19 22:17:53
Re: stacking (25 replies, posted in Bows)
bluelake wrote:
Hi Tawfiq,
That is very strange that you are getting that at 30". Even with a regular-length bow, I can usually pull back to about 32" or so with no feeling of stacking. Usually, the bows will reach a certain draw length and then just stop, but are smooth to draw up to that point.
T
This has been my experience. I just plan on not drawing the bow to what would amount to a 35" draw for myself.
Maybe this has been commented on, but the average korean is going to have a shorter draw length than the average Pollock like myself.
We have to keep in mind the people who developed such a splendid weapon.
Here is my theory behind the development of all traditional indigenous bows.
1. Purpose and use of the weapon.
2. Readily available materials.
3. Genetic makeup of the people who developed them.......and very closely following that is the cultural influence.
My two cents......it maybe only worth 1 cent though.... 
124 2011-11-19 04:08:36
Re: Made my own bamboo arrows for the first time.... (28 replies, posted in Arrows)
I think that they are great. Please let us know how they fly. This might be just the way for me to get started with bamboo arrows.
Joe
125 2011-11-09 05:23:10
Re: Draw Length and Anchor (51 replies, posted in Technique)
Zdog
What is the weight that you are pulling?