126

(4 replies, posted in Kaya Bows)

Freddie Won asked me for ideas and advice regarding the new hunting bow his company, Nomad, is going to sell.  I have not shot or even held one, yet, so I am limited in what I can advise.  However, I will attach a couple of the photos he sent me and maybe some of you might have some suggestions.

127

(5 replies, posted in Bows)

Generally, the Kaya KTB is a very well-made bow with few problems.  However, every company has a less-then-optimum bow slip through the cracks.  Kaya is very good about customer service, so drop a line to kaya@kayaarchery.com and you should be able to get it sorted out.

128

(5 replies, posted in Technique)

geoarcher wrote:
bluelake wrote:

However, I feel he draws too quickly--my teacher would have had a fit if I had done that.  Everything needs to be smooth, with a 3-6 second hold before release.

Is the variation we see in some of these videos the result of personalizing one's technique or actual different regional traditions?

There are some styles that vary upon even different clubs; for example, at Hwanghakjeong in Seoul, they tend to use what's known as the "onggakji" (온깍지) style, with an open, expressive release where one's draw hand points 180 degrees away from the target upon release.  I have rarely seen it used elsewhere. 

Forms also may be an archer's learned technique or something they developed over time.  Often, they are made up of bad habits that became ingrained.

129

(5 replies, posted in Technique)

geoarcher wrote:
bluelake wrote:

Yes, manjak (만작(滿酌)) refers to a full draw.  Jisa 지사(持射) mainly refers to the amount of time to hold at full draw before release.  However, there is also a similar thought in that the draw should be slow and smooth (reflected in the precept "Push the high mountain while pulling the tiger's tail").


Yes and its interesting too when I see the different shooting approaches on youtube.  Quite a few will do just a quick draw and release but the archer in the video is just so perfect.  A real display of mastery.  Totally calm and not strained looking as the process culminates into his 'snapping' release.  I've been trying to emulate this myself to as much of a tee as I can and record.  Often times when I play back the material, I realize the importance of good proprioception more than ever.

However, I feel he draws too quickly--my teacher would have had a fit if I had done that.  Everything needs to be smooth, with a 3-6 second hold before release.

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(5 replies, posted in Technique)

geoarcher wrote:

I came across the term 'Ji-sa' recently which apparently refers to shoot slowly to build proper "Man-jak",full draw form.

I see a few videos of this here and there on youtube and I must say its very fascinating.  Not to mention a feat that possesses some serious art-like qualities.  I believe this Korean archer is practicing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8oUuAZ … KHok_HVF4g

It would be interesting to see literature that discusses this more in the near future. wink

Yes, manjak (만작(滿酌)) refers to a full draw.  Jisa 지사(持射) mainly refers to the amount of time to hold at full draw before release.  However, there is also a similar thought in that the draw should be slow and smooth (reflected in the precept "Push the high mountain while pulling the tiger's tail").

131

(2 replies, posted in Technique)

My experience was very atypical, so it should not be considered usual.  I first learned Korean trad archery twenty-two years ago, and was taught by a Korean master archer.  I was "fast-tracked", so I did not go through the lengthy process most must do nowadays.  For about a week, I just drew the bow back, held it in place for five seconds, and then slowly let up on it; this is something I did daily at the club for about an hour each day.  After that, I spent a couple weeks on a tethered arrow.  Finally, I was able to shoot a "live" arrow.  So, it was in less than a month from beginner to shooter. 

Soon after, I made my first hit, which was cause for a celebration (Korean archers love to celebrate).  Of course, I had to buy the drinks.  Then came hitting the target 2/5, 3/5, 4/5, and finally 5/5 (molgi).  I joined in January 1993 and had my first molgi on March 25, 1993.  I was given a ceremony at the next club meeting (the club paid for it--huge and elaborate).  I received my "muho" (archery nickname) of "Cheongho" (Bluelake) and my name was added to the books as the 53rd "jeopjang" (veteran archer).  Since then, that club has added well over one hundred more jeopjang to its ranks; I am one of the most senior (even though I am no longer active in that club due to living in other cities).

That's about it...

Angelus wrote:
bluelake wrote:
Angelus wrote:

That's some really useful information, thank you. How do i find out my draw length?

Here's what I tell people:

Take a tape measure and hold the 0" end with your "bow hand" fully extended.  Take your "draw hand" and pull the tape measure as far back as you can toward your shoulder.  Where you end up will be approximately at your draw length.


I ended up with around 33", that's a bit odd, my draw length is 27" using a Mediterranean release. Does it really go up this much?

Usually around 31-32" for most people.  It's often about 3-4" more than one's finger draw.

Angelus wrote:
Mule wrote:

SMG sells five different sizes

Jang-gung for >31.8"
Jung-gung for 31.6~31.8"
Dan-gung for 31"
Dan-dan-gung for 29.8"
Dong-gae-gung (horsebow) for <29.2"

Drawing less than these recommended draw lengths isn't a problem but drawing farther causes stacking and uncomfortable shooting


That's some really useful information, thank you. How do i find out my draw length?

Here's what I tell people:

Take a tape measure and hold the 0" end with your "bow hand" fully extended.  Take your "draw hand" and pull the tape measure as far back as you can toward your shoulder.  Where you end up will be approximately at your draw length.

134

(17 replies, posted in History)

Most people don't know that the "geobukseon" was actually invented in the early 15th century, nearly two centuries before Admiral Yi used them.

135

(3 replies, posted in Bows)

morton509 wrote:

Thank you bluelake.  Very helpful.  What is the shipping time on a Hwarang?  Also, from the ordering page it seems there is one style of Hwarang.  Is that correct?  Is the bow custom made for your personal dimensions or are they already constructed?  Just curious.   I would love to order one.  So,  would a bow at #50 @ 28" be roughly #55@31"/32"?
Thank you so much.  I love this forum.

Typically, from time of ordering, it is 4-8 weeks.  There is, basically, one style, but two lengths--the standard and the janggung, or extra-long bow (about an inch or so longer).  The birch bark backing, as it is natural, will vary in tone and design from bow to bow.  The bows are made once an order is placed.  A 50# @28" bow would be, @31/32", probably in the 60# range.


T

136

(3 replies, posted in Bows)

Well, of course, I'm a bit biased, as the Hwarang is what I sell (and named many years ago), but it is the best Korean traditional laminated bow out there.  Kaya bows are great--plus, the people there are close friends of mine, and I help them out from time to time--but the Hwarang is better in all aspects (looks, feel, performance, etc.).  With that said, the Kaya has a big cost advantage, which is not a small matter to many people. 

The Hwarang will last for years with regular, non-abusive use.  No special care is required.

Hope that helps.

137

(7 replies, posted in Bows)

It shoots smoothly, but feels a little more sluggish than the Kaya KTB.

138

(6 replies, posted in Hwarang Bows)

Dusan1 wrote:

Thank you .Now i know my bow master name ! Cal  name "KIM" looks really perfect .. smile

Of course, Kim is the family name...

139

(6 replies, posted in Hwarang Bows)

Dusan1 wrote:

I cant read name. ( maybe somebody can…) I think that man made mi bow.

http://img.janforman.com/th/mojKpxd3.JPG

It says "Bucheon Horn Bow Shop, Kim Yun-gyeong".  Bucheon is a city in-between Seoul and Incheon (my son lives there).

140

(9 replies, posted in General Interest)

Dusan1 wrote:

Yes, thats what i do.Now i evan hear about "free" post costs from china- maybe not only cell phones and other "s…its" but isinglass too  smile

Another interesting question is bamboo. Kor. masters work with dry seasoned bamboo , or "green" bamboo ?Cose carving work with dry bamboo was very problematic , vith very small chance to good result ( 15-10 % ).In  you tube films i think -see that some % of carved bamboo billets was cracked in longitude - ame like in mi work- and K.msters still use him .(?)

A few clips from my video...

141

(9 replies, posted in General Interest)

You might like to ask Stephen Selby over on ATARN.  There are different varieties of croaker, including yellow and brown, so I understand what you mean.

Welcome!

Dear Archery Friends,

Currently, I am working on the curriculum for an online Korean traditional archery course.  It is still in production, but I hope to get the bare-bones version finished in the near future.  The course will be based upon my book--included in the course will be an updated, color digital edition of the book.  The course will include lots of HD video, which I am currently working on; some video will be added over time, as some things need to be recorded a bit later. 

Once one enrolls in the class, he/she has permanent access to it (including all future updates).  The cost of the class is still being determined, but I am leaning towards what my current print book costs ($30).  Although the class will be geared towards someone just getting into KTA, it will have great information for anyone interested.

Please let me know what you think!


Thomas

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(0 replies, posted in Bows)

Dear Archery Friends,

I will be updating the ad page for the Hwarang bow in coming days/weeks and would like to also update customer reviews as well.  Although all the reviews there are still true and valid, I would like to add some new ones.  So, if you are a Hwarang owner and would like to give a review of your bow for inclusion, please send me a private message with your quote.  All will be appreciated!  Thanks!


Thomas

145

(9 replies, posted in General Interest)

For China, I'm not sure, but in Korea, it's 민어 (民魚) 부레풀.

146

(7 replies, posted in Bows)

WillScarlet wrote:

The reason I asked is I'm still considering the purchase of either the Wharang or a Chinese built Mariner Ming Moon 7. I'd probably be happy with either, but just haven't decided. Which would you say is more "user friendly" to the shooter new to these type bows? hmm

The Hwarang still is more "user friendly", but the SMG is not that difficult.

147

(4 replies, posted in Notices)

Well, that didn't take long...  Both Jinaha and Beff have now gone *poof*  I am eyeing another, and will do the same for any others.

148

(4 replies, posted in Notices)

They most likely are spammers (although I can't quite figure out what they are trying to sell...).  Their IPs are both from the same ISP in Pakistan.  Still, stranger things have happened, so I am giving a *little* more rope before zapping.

149

(7 replies, posted in Bows)

WillScarlet wrote:

Thomas, were the YMG and SMG of the same poundage, and how would you rate smoothness, cast, hand shock, and speed one against the other?

Yes, they were both 50# (the KMG was 40#).  I was very happily impressed with the cast and lack of hand shock of the SMG.  While it didn't quite equal the YMG, it was still in the ballpark.

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(4 replies, posted in Notices)

While it is nice to discuss travel venues, etc., this board is primarily for archery-related discussion (and some other related areas).  If your posts are primarily not about archery and related areas, they will be considered spam and will be removed (and, possibly, you as well).