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(10 replies, posted in Thumb Rings)

I have a brass classic (ordered before the silver came out) and yeah I agree with everything geoarcher says. Fits better than any other ring and metal rings are definitely the way to go with heavier bows (I shoot 60). I'm waiting for them to release a silver victory

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(9 replies, posted in Bows)

It's just bamboo bellied, the rest of the bow is the same as the $200 fiberglass bow

fiberglass or carbon

Most bows don't show too much variation. The Korean, Turkish, English longbow data for instance fit a trendline quite nicely, usually with a variation of +/-5fps which is reasonable. This could come from incorrect arrow spine, imperfect release/khatra, incorrect reported bow weight/draw length (people just reported the sticker weight instead of actual weight they shoot at) or simply different bow energy storage/efficiency.

The weird ones are the Japanese and PVC data. PVC well.. those are people making bows for <$10 so you'll have to take that for what it is. Not sure what's happening with the yumi data though. That's where you see the largest variation. A lot of those are averages of 3 or 4 shots that an archer took, and there's sometimes as much as 40fps difference between the fastest and slowest shot taken by the same archer. If I showed individual shots instead of shooter averages, the graph would be even crazier.

Yea compound is peak draw force, it's one of the slowest readings I've seen for a compound. I include it only because it's fun to see that a few trad bows can beat a compound bow (even if it's only a shitty one)

Poundage at full draw. I admit the data is a little flawed since this gives the advantage to bows shot with longer draw lengths like Korean vs Turkish bows.

Did someone say data dump? Here is the data I've been collecting

No energy storage/efficiency data as force draw curves are pretty rare but I've been collecting any speed/arrow mass/draw weight data I've seen

I also have some nice charts but need to learn how to do charts well in google spreadsheet, in the meantime here's a screenshot of the old excel chart

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12212152/bow%20fps%20vs%20gpp.png

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(13 replies, posted in Thumb Rings)

I currently use a Vermil classic brass. With a 60# bow, I do get a bit of soreness after a long shooting session though.

I'd like to try the new Victory (I think the cut out would be more comfortable) but they haven't made a metal version yet

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(13 replies, posted in Thumb Rings)

The angle of the lip is far too steep for a beginner, you want something a bit more shallow

33

(5 replies, posted in Bows)

The SMG comes with snake skin?!

>Both bows were shooting in the 180 to 190 fps  with my bamboo arrows, dropping some outliers.

How heavy are your arrows?

>Edit to add:  If your looking for a horn bow the Taeguek is a great bow with out the hassle that can accompany a horn bow.  If you just want a great bow to shoot the SMG is a great choice.  The differences in the bows is basically splitting hairs.

Or get the SMG horn tongue

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(28 replies, posted in Accessories)

Some museum curator just stuck em in there. That mini side quiver would normally hold an arrow tube and darts like this http://pds23.egloos.com/pds/201206/02/98/a0114898_4fca06f60e600.jpg

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(7 replies, posted in Arrows)

SMG strings are double served to make them thick. If you don't like it, take it off and reserve it yourself to fit your nocks.

Thicker strings are better for thumb release though, so best option would be to get 'thumb string' compatible nocks.

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(8 replies, posted in Arrows)

C'mon man, I spent hours subtitling that video and you can't be bothered to get onto a computer to watch it?  neutral

He's using wooden blocks and the liquid is water with sand in it.

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(29 replies, posted in Bows)

I don't know exactly, I'd assume the 8-10gpp range though.

I'm getting confused since you're calling the semi-horn and real horn bow both horn bows..

Anyway on real horn-bows, my understanding is that it isn't the horn that's 'taking set', but the sinew on the other side by taking on moisture

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(8 replies, posted in Arrows)

Blackrain wrote:

What is the true traditional Korean method of smoothing off bumps from arrow shafts? I saw a video a man running an arrow shaft through what is presumably two blocks of wood. He would periodically submerge the two blocks of wood (?) in a bucket filled with lsome sort of liquid which I guess is abrasive? See the following video at the 05:06 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK5INvoNTdk

That video has subtitles you know...

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(29 replies, posted in Bows)

The stored energy isn't the same because the amount of reflex/preload is different. It doesn't matter what material is on the belly (as long as the material can take the compression from reflexed position to draw).

Real hornbows have far more reflex so store way more energy. But the limbs are heavier so they end up slower than modern laminates. But if you get to higher 60+ draw weights the energy storage overcomes the weight of the limbs and hornbows shoot faster.

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(29 replies, posted in Bows)

I'm skeptical that horn bows don't like the cold. The technology came from the steppe where winters are 20 or even 30 below zero..

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(26 replies, posted in Bows)

peterhaslund wrote:

Confusion seems to be setting in early this year. Let me be clear. The SMG comes with a grip. A traditional grip. It's called a jum-tong. It's what the bow is born with.
The SMG also comes with a grey wrapping the use of which is referred to in the video. Watch, please: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a0fcgXfTBA
This is a personal choice, I guess, although I must say find it odd that it is identical to a material sold here in skiing crazy Norway to sand down your skis. Identical.
Now, my point is, why put anything onto the traditional grip. But I repeat myself.

Yeah, as I thought, the confusion is on your end. Like basilisk120 and myself have tried to tell you, that's not the grip that normally comes with SMG. Gungsulwon probably swapped it out for their grip wrap in your order.

The one that comes with the SMG is a hard plastic/rubber one, that looks like this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12212152/SMG%20grip.jpg

It's quite ugly, not very comfortable, and too stiff to wrap around a grip easily.

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(26 replies, posted in Bows)

peterhaslund wrote:

Yes I know. I just bought an SMG laminated horn. By traditional I guess I mean what most would accept as such. Feel free to have your own ideas.

Aren't you talking about the grey pad in your photos?

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(26 replies, posted in Bows)

What? In what way is a dish washing pad more traditional than a leather, rayskin or jute wrap?

Anyway you don't know what grip material we're talking about, the SMG comes with a hard plastic/rubber with dimples on it that isn't comfortable or easy to wrap the grip with.

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(26 replies, posted in Bows)

I'd toss that weird pimply rubber grip that comes with the bow. Just get a nice piece of thick suede and glue wrap it unto your grip

45

(6 replies, posted in Technique)

A more parallel stance is more stable since your bones are doing more work, the more oblique stance requires more muscle work since it's your muscles stopping the bow arm from being pulled in.

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(69 replies, posted in Bows)

I'm glad you like the bow, I knew you would wink

Greyhamster wrote:

I also REALLY hate the nocks. It´s part of the Korean bow design but MAN, do I hate them. The loops on the bowstring are so large they can twist and slip over the nocks on to the limbs so you´ve got to be really careful when stringing it.

How are you stringing it? As long as you hold the string in place with one hand while you string the other nock with the step-through method, there shouldn't be any risk of them slipping off the nocks. Those tiny nocks and resulting low tip mass is part of what gives these bows their speed

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(69 replies, posted in Bows)

Yeah their customer service is pretty crap but... their product is great... Don't make up your mind until you shoot it. They shoot as good as they look, if the koreanbow.com bows are anything like Kaya KTBs, they don't compare to the SMG

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(11 replies, posted in New Member Introductions)

Kaya bows are generally overpriced in the US compared to EU, not sure why.

If you speak Korean you should give SMG a call, they make much nicer bows than the KTB. You can get a bow for $230 and about $30 shipping

http://www.smgung.co.kr/

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(11 replies, posted in New Member Introductions)

jvd.nl is a supplier, not a shop, They don't sell directly to customers

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(29 replies, posted in Bows)

Ask them, ktb@koreanbow.com

They're very friendly and reply quickly to emails